Spain gears up for Gay Pride Day

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RAINBOW flags are flying high and proud throughout Spain this week, fluttering from government buildings, businesses and homes in a show of support of LGBT individuals on International Gay Pride Day.
Throughout the country, LGBT advocates have been working to ensure that the day, celebrated internationally on June 28, is properly recognised. In Sevilla, the scene will be especially colourful as city councillor, Myriam Diaz, promised the city that the rainbow flag would be proudly displayed at city hall and at every civic centre in the city. Diaz, councillor for Equality, Youth, and University Community Relations, sees the multicoloured flag as a unifying symbol and pledges to work directly with LGBT associations at the city council level.
The rainbow flag will grace the city hall in Cordoba as well, where the Andalucian federation Arco Iris (Rainbow,) won a small victory, managing to convince the mayor, Isabel Ambrosio, to display the flag at the city’s local government headquarters for the first time in history.
Arco Iris, however, is concerned with more than just waving flags. Gonzalo Serrano, president of Arco Iris, is pushing for a plan to combat homophobia. His 15-measure plan – meant to be implemented at the city hall level – calls for the creation of an LGBT centre to support educators and students at the secondary school level and insists that alternative family models be included in elementary school activities.
Other measures include promoting respect for the diversity of the population and training police officers and sports staff on the norms governing discrimination and hate crimes.
Throughout the country, cities festooned with rainbow flags are planning events to celebrate International Gay Pride Day; however, in the capital city the festivities will arrive a bit late. Madrid is home to one of the biggest gay pride parades in the world, with more than two million people marching through the streets.
The event, which is so large that it overshadowed other pride events, was pushed back a week, allowing revellers to participate in smaller regional events as well. The Madrid Orgullo, or Pride, is such a large event that it has gradually turned into more of a city-wide party rather than an event advocating for gay rights. In addition to the parade – which takes place on Saturday July 4 from 6pm to midnight – visitors can also rock out to free concerts throughout the city´s plazas, attend hot parties in night clubs and cheer on participants running in drag in a stiletto high heel race.


  1. No, the reds and greens in your favour (didn’t know this was a competition) show there are still narrow-minded bigots out there and indicate that in terms of equality, we still have work to do, which has not yet rendered Gay Pride redundant. I look forward to the day it’s not longer necessary.
    Thank goodness people with your disrespectful views and poor social skills are a dwindling minority.

  2. Anyone who feels justified in saying hurtful, rude and unpleasant things to anyone because they ‘have the right to freedom of speech’ needs serious help.
    Your right to freedom of speech ends where it becomes offensive, and exactly at the point where it encroaches on others’ rights to freedom from attack and insults.
    If you seriously believe you can be as rude and disrespectful as you want to anyone and dress it up as your ‘right to an opinion’, there is something seriously wrong with you which probably has a psychiatric label for it. Narcissistic Personality Disorder or possibly even Psychopathic Personality Disorder spring to mind.
    Get help before you isolate yourself even more and offend too many more people. There’s no place in today’s society for hurtful insults or bigotry.

  3. Oh, but he believes in imaginary polls and surveys in which ‘everyone aged over 35 or 40’ (hey, that’s me…) thinks gay people are sinners. Just doesn’t believe in the official ones that say over 70% of the population DOES support us and believe that everyone deserves love, happiness and the right to lead their own lives as best suits them as long as they don’t harm anyone.
    Probably he’s got a gang of his mates to like and unlike comments to show he’s ‘the clear winner’. (Either that or, worryingly, there are more bigots out there than we thought, even in the 21st century). Who do you think will present his medal? Donald “I only support traditional marriage, that’s why I’ve traditionally married three times” Trump?
    All the greens and reds prove are that his argument that we don’t need to keep fighting for equal treatment because we’ve already got it is total fallacy: Until people stop having his views (let alone feeling they can air them publicly) we don’t have equality. Until we stop getting disparaging comments nobody else would get if they were heterosexual, we still have to fight to be considered ‘normal’.
    Sounds like the US in 1967 when the majority were against the new law that made mixed-race marriage legal. “I’m all for civil liberties, but negroes marrying whites? That’s going a bit too far.”
    I’m glad Roy’s educated me on freedom of speech and the right to an opinion, though. I always thought that both of these were limited by the moral duty to respect and be kind to others, but I’ve just discovered I can now go around slagging off anyone I please and being as rude and offensive to them as I want and, if they object, it’s THEM in the wrong because I’m only expressing my ‘personal views’ in accordance with my ‘freedom of speech’. Seems I’ve been doing it wrong all along, following boring social codes which say we’re supposed to be nice to people and not hurt their feelings. We all have a right to insult anyone we want, Roy says, so let’s have some fun and start telling people who are @$$h0l€$ what we really think of them!
    (Actually…I don’t think I’ll bother. I’ll leave it to people who genuinely don’t give a stuff about others’ feelings. Oddly enough, being kind to people and valuing them as fellow humans has generally earned me more friends, so maybe I’ll stick with that).

  4. Kally take it easy you will give yourself a heart attack I wanted to say something about gay people marrying straight people.How on earth can this be right if your marrying someone we have the right to know whether this person is gay.
    What you said was totally hypocritical your just basically saying its okay for gays to do what they want.You wanna wake up in fact your well out of order I know people who have been trapped this way and it all ends in tears.
    But you will sound of once more for your cause gays should marry gays and leave normal people well alone.more emotional content is needed here?

  5. Andy, you seem to struggle with grasping the points being raised here. Far be from me to mock someone who it seems would have, in the less enlightened times beloved of folks like Roy (and maybe yourself), been considered a little ‘slow’ but you really ought to try if you are thinking of joining in this thread. Have a go at reading Kally’s extremely well expressed points slowly and you’ll may even learn something about how other people live away from your own small circle of experience. Not everyone has to conform to your way of thinking or acting to be considered normal. I consider myself perfectly normal, so do my family and dozens of friends – even the law does.

    Have a look around. It’s not that frightening a place, the real world, unless you are young and constantly bombarded with insults, and maybe even physical assaults, by those whose definition of ‘normal’ is so constrained by their narrow view of life that to be outside of it means you are thereby considered abnormal. Unfortunately people such as you make it frightening for a significant number of youngsters to the extent that some even take their own life. A terrible thing to have on one’s conscience I would have thought – or does it not affect yours?

    I don’t have to ‘think on my sins’ as you ask. I don’t have any. I am far from perfect but I consider myself to be a good person who tries always to do his best – some of the time I fail, but I try. Sin is not a concept I understand or accept. I aim to hurt nobody – maybe that’s an aim you could consider adopting.

  6. I think it odd that any straight person would knowingly marry a gay person, or that any gay person would marry the opposite sex if they knew they were, in fact, gay.
    Often in the past, when people didn’t truly believe they could be homosexual, because the backlash from society and the fact they had it drummed into them that gay people were sick and sinners and all that tired old guff which nobody believes any more, they probably wouldn’t have realised they were indeed one of those ‘deviants’ and just felt there was ‘something missing’ in their heterosexual marriage. Luckily now people realise being gay is COMPLETELY normal, nobody has to have those doubts.
    I cannot imagine a person who knows they are gay marrying a heterosexual person of the opposite sex. Why would they? That’s the whole point of being gay, that you don’t WANT to marry someone of the opposite sex. And in any case, mixed-sex marriage has been legal for centuries so I fail to see how approving same-sex marriage could cause this unlikely scenario.
    And if a heterosexual person marries someone who’s gay and is the SAME sex…well, why would they do that???
    Marriage is a two-way set of vows and, luckily, in the west, both parties have to consent to it in order for it to happen.
    I think you’re getting confused…I’m not entirely sure I know where you’re coming from.

  7. If you honestly, genuinely believe your ‘right to freedom of speech’ and your ‘right to voice your opinion’ gives you free licence to say hurtful and unpleasant things to people, and be rude to them publicly, you seriously need some help.
    Your right to ‘freedom of speech’ and ‘expressing your opinion’ ends exactly where it becomes offensive to others. Your rights end exactly where they infringe on those of others. You went a long way beyond that basic notion of civil conduct, good manners and social behaviour in your very first comment.
    “I can insult you and make vile, repulsive remarks to you and call you whatever I like, because I’ve a right to my opinion and to freedom of speech.” Is this really what you believe? Then either, as I suspected from the outset, you are not intelligent enough to interpret basic English and have misunderstood the entire concept of ‘freedom of expression’, or you suffer from a recognised behavioural disorder, such as narcissism or sociopathy.
    I hope it’s just lack of intelligence, because if you really consider yourself entitled to make unacceptable and repulsive comments to others simply because it’s all covered by ‘free speech’, then you really must be a selfish and objectionable person and I doubt you have any friends.

  8. I don’t quite get what you’re saying, Andy. A gay person would only marry someone of the same sex, and if that person were heterosexual, they wouldn’t go through with the wedding. If a gay person married the opposite sex (and I can’t imagine why they would), this is ‘mixed-sex marriage’, or what you erroneously term ‘normal’, and has been legal since prehistoric times. So I can’t see how legalising same-sex marriage is going to encourage gay people to marry opposite-sex heterosexuals!!!!!!!!
    Another issue altogether is if someone genuinely doesn’t know or hasn’t accepted they’re gay and believes, particularly in light of the hatred and bigotry a minority of people STILL subject homosexuals to (people like Roy Peters), and discovers it or accepts it later. Well, the ‘cure’ for that is a society where people feel they CAN be gay without being considered ‘odd’, ‘dangerous’, a ‘sinner’ or all the other ludicrous accusations we get. And where they CAN marry someone of the ‘right’ gender, legally. Once homosexuality and bisexuality is considered and respected as every bit as normal and everyday as heterosexuality, these issues simply won’t arise.
    If you’re against gay marriage, how can ‘gays marry gays’??? Isn’t that the whole point of equal marriage and the protection of everyone’s rights, irrespective of sex or sexuality, becoming enshrined in law?!
    I’m not really sure what your argument is, to be honest.

  9. You’ve clearly missed the irony in my final comment, Roy…I wonder why that doesn’t surprise me?!
    Do you REALLY believe that ‘freedom of speech’ and ‘the right to express an opinion on any subject’ makes it acceptable to insult, humiliate, attack, offend and make rude and disrespectful comments to anyone you want? Do you really believe you can treat other humans as you wish, because you’re justified in doing so through ‘freedom of speech’ and ‘right to opinion’????
    If so, you need to learn some social skills, and fast.
    Your right to an ‘opinion’ and ‘freedom of expression’ ends at exactly the point where it becomes offensive and dangerous to others. It ends at exactly the point where it encroaches on the rights of other people.
    You already overstepped that red line by a very wide margin with your first comment on this thread.
    Learn to treat your fellow humans with respect, and you may become a much nicer person as a result.

  10. Your memory is letting you down again Roy. I could almost feel sorry for you. It was YOU that said you were winning the red and greens so what’s that all about then if it’s not – in your eyes at least – a poll ? Get it?

  11. Kally, like it or not I was brought up to think of being gay as not being normal and so for me… it is not normal to be gay, I see myself as normal because I am hetrosexual.

    One of the things that gets up my nose is when people come across as being hard done by and I find in most cases it is because those people generally are just digging holes for themselves, if you are gay then you are gay but get out of peoples faces with it, sometimes I wonder if it is many gay people who actually have an issue with being gay as they rant on about their rights this and their rights that, most people like me ‘a normal person’ just get on with their lives and generally doesn’t comment about others… but then sometimes gays just seem to get up normal people noses at times, maybe if you found something productive to put your energy into it might make you feel more positive and productive.

  12. Mike, funnily enough, I wasn’t ‘brought up gay’ and in fact, was also ‘brought up’ to believe gay was ‘not normal’. Given that ‘gay’ or ‘straight’ or ‘bi’ is something you’re literally born with, being treated as ‘abnormal’ for something as integral to you and as impossible to change as your height or shoe size causes extreme trauma in young life. It can make school days hell. Some young people attempt suicide – and succeed. Recently, a 15-year-old boy in Brighton killed himself because he was ostracised by family, ‘friends’ and society for being gay.
    We didn’t ask to be considered ‘different’; heterosexuals in society decided that for us by treating us as pariahs. Even in the 1990s, you could lose a job if anyone found out. You could lose friends, your family would turn their back on you and tell everyone you were ‘going off the rails’ just because (in my case) I didn’t want a boyfriend and preferred girls.
    We don’t want ‘gay rights’, we want EQUAL rights. In most cases we have them, but in many cases we do not. It’s only been a year since same-sex couples in the UK, for example, have been able to marry. How many have been refused entry to their loved ones’ hospital wards because they were not ‘next of kin’, or had to pay massive inheritance tax to keep their own marital homes? How many in Spain have been (and still are) denied a widows’ or widowers’ pension? Straight women can have babies whenever they want; gay women, obviously, cannot, therefore the only safe way (in terms of health – and legal issues) is insemination, a quick and easy process which costs the health service next to nothing, a health service all women fund. But in Spain, only heterosexual married couples are entitled to any fertility treatment, which means if I wanted to have a child, it would cost me thousands.
    Also, the gay community has worked hard to be recogisned as normal, everyday people (believe me, the only thing ‘abnormal’ about me is the number of cats I own) and for bullying in schools to be stamped out, to stop the next generation of homophobes like Roy (and probably you) making life a misery for us just because we don’t follow your narrow pattern of ‘acceptably normal’. In my day, 20 years or so ago, teachers were expected to openly condemn homosexuality, or they’d be accused of ‘promoting it’ (you can’t promote homosexuality, because you either are it or you’re not, and it’s impossible to persuade anyone to be straight). As a result, many gay children felt alone and scared.
    Elsewhere in the world, you can be arrested, tortured or even killed for being gay – and however hard you try to go underground, the truth will out. Just imagine risking being beaten and raped and possibly killed by the police just because of the relationship you have with your partner.
    Our rights are every bit as important as your rights; we’re all taxpayers and voters. And our rights are the SAME as your rights, so if we’re short of any, we want that corrected.
    We also need to keep up our work educating some closed-minded factions of society who would continue to demonise us and treat us as weird and repulsive beings when, really, we just want to fall in love and be happy ever after.
    The reason we DON’T have full equality is because of the attitudes of a small minority of society, mostly heterosexual men of a certain age.
    As for ‘shoving it in other people’s faces’, don’t you think heterosexuals do that quite a lot? Where can you go without seeing heterosexuality thrust at you? Every film, every advert, every snogging couple on the street. If there were just one advert on TV, just one mainstream film without an 18 certificate, just one snogging couple in the street which showed same-sex love instead of mixed-sex love, we’d have outcry from (fortunately, a minority of) society. Ireland actually held a referendum on whether couples the voters had never met were able to seal their relationships legally. Can you imagine a referendum on whether or not YOU should be allowed to marry your wife? And most of the voters were gay? Can you imagine your own disbelief that your OWN, private marriage should be considered the public’s business and that a vote was even needed?
    Marriage between two consenting adults who love each other should be legal, and that’s it. End of.

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    The reason we DON’T have full equality is because of the attitudes of a small minority of society, mostly heterosexual men of a certain age.
    As for ‘shoving it in other people’s faces’ and don’t you think heterosexuals do that quite a lot? Where can you go without seeing heterosexuality thrust at you? Every film, every advert, every snogging couple on the street. If there were just one advert on TV, just one mainstream film without an 18 certificate, just one snogging couple in the street which showed same-sex love instead of mixed-sex love, we’d have outcry from (fortunately, a minority of) society.

    Firstly you say you do not have full equality because ‘it is because of a small minority of men’ then you say everywhere you turn you see hetrosexual pushed in your face! I feel it is you that does not understand and that maybe it is you that has the problem! All the TV, films and adverts are not all made by ‘a small majority of men’, these are made by many men and women from agencies and the reason they do this is because in todays society that is what is still considered as normal, so the reason you see this is because it is considered normal behaviour by the majority of people both male and female.

    Can you imagine a referendum on whether or not YOU should be allowed to marry your wife? And most of the voters were gay? Can you imagine your own disbelief that your OWN, private marriage should be considered the public’s business and that a vote was even needed? end>

    But is’s not, my sexuality * is * considered normal, if I did something that others considered not normal then * yes, I could imagine there being an issue *.
    As I say, I think it is you that needs to deal with this and stop thinking it is ok to shove things in peoples faces who do not agree with them and just expecting they should accept it… it doesn’t work like that and it never will, even if the whole world was gay it still wouldn’t work. Put your energies into something that gives you some self esteem and makes you feel better in yourself, if you had did you wouldn’t worry about what you where. I have no more to say about this, it is you that needs to get on with your life as my won’t change 😉

  14. Sorry and all that, Mike, but homosexuality IS normal, it DOES deserve equal treatment, it IS generally accepted by society, discrimination against us is enshrined in law, we were born this way, we cannot help it, we are equal taxpayers, voters and law-abiding citizens, and we deserve equal treatment and to be allowed to live our lives free from tags such as ‘abnormal’, which only serve to lower the self-esteem of 4.6 million Spaniards, six million Brits and billions more worldwide – and, more dangerously, children and teenagers.
    It is attitudes such as yours, claiming we’re ‘not normal’, that has been responsible for very young people suffering depression, eating disorders, attempted suicide and, until recently, losing jobs and being ostracised by society and the law. The fact this is changing can only be positive, but given that there are still people like you with rather dangerous, radical views, the journey is not over yet.
    Remember the news programme about the ‘house of shame’ which was providing contraception to ‘unmarried women over 16’? *horrors*. That was only 45-50 years ago. Remember Apartheid? That was still happening less than 25 years ago. Remember women being denied promotions if they got married, not being allowed to have a bank account in their own names and being considered ‘selfish’ if they chose not to have children? That was barely 40 years ago. Remember single mothers being considered ‘sluts’? That was barely 25 years ago. As recently as WWII, domestic violence against women and children, who were expected to ‘serve’ the men of the household, was the accepted norm. More recently still, spousal rape was not considered a crime, a man beating his wife was ‘just a domestic issue, the law can’t get involved’, and even in my lifetime and even in my WORKING lifetime, women were expected to put up with sexual harrassment and told, “you should be flattered.”
    Society is, luckily, becoming less judgmental, less narrow-minded, and accepting that their own very limited views of ‘normality’. All those unacceptable ‘norms’ of yesteryear are now considered worthy of outrage. Sexism (and homophobia IS sexism) and racism are now outlawed. Homophobia is outlawed. Divorce is a legal right (only 33 years ago, it wasn’t legal in Spain) and the world is waking up. About time too.
    For as long as you consider it’s okay to shove your heterosexuality in my face, we consider we have a right to ‘shove our homosexuality in your face’ – read: pushing for equality.
    Actually, just by talking about it, about ourselves, by naming the genders of our partners, we’re accused of ‘shoving it in people’s faces’. Straight people can refer to their husbands or wives and make it plain they’re not interested in the same sex, without being considered as ‘shoving their heterosexuality in people’s faces’. We do the same, and that’s what we’re accused of.
    And that’s why we STILL don’t have equality, because a minority of (mainly heterosexual male) society STILL treats us as ‘abnormal’.
    It’s called falling in love. It’s called consenting relationships. It’s called equal treatment. Nothing abnormal about that.
    You have no idea what it’s like to grow up thinking you’re a sick pervert and not able to talk to ANYONE about it. You have no idea of what it’s like to have to plough all your energies into hiding a crucial part of yourself to avoid being treated as a pariah, or getting fired. You don’t, actually, have the first clue what you’re talking about; all this has no connection to your own, sheltered little life where you’re Mr Privileged because of your virtuous heterosexuality.
    I’m normal. My friends and family and most people I meet agree I’m normal. My 90-year-old Grandma loves me and my lesbian cousin to bits, and went to my cousin’s wedding with all the pride in the world.
    Bigotry and prejudice is what is NOT normal, and I think you need to take a tour of the outside world, get to know more people, and learn some social skills.
    I’ve ignored the bit where you tell me to ‘do something productive and get some self-esteem’, because you know nothing about how productive or otherwise my life is, neither is it any of your business – but I can bet my bottom I achieve more in a day than you do in the average year, but with a fraction of the effort.

  15. Just read what you have said, your problem is with you… not me and everyone else! Being gay might be normal to you but it certainly is not to me and most of the people of my age group! It doesn’t matter what you, the pope, the Irish people, the police, the government try to make me think it will not change what I do think! Can’t you understand that you cannot force your beliefs on other people just because you feel hard done by, you are trying to do to others what you are complaining they are doing to you.
    BTW, I doubt you achieve anywhere near what I do in a day but that is not my problem either, if you did achieve more than me that is not an issue with me either! I just get on with my life and don’t rant and rave in peoples faces about it. I work very long days and pay what I consider to be far too much in tax but try to save as much as I can but I don’t rant and rave about the number of people who take every penny they can in welfare while they sit on heir butts then get everything paid for by the government because they didn’t bother their backside working and trying to save while I will get my savings and home taken from me to pay for any government help I need in later life, those are facts, things I would love to be different but the fact our government thinks that is OK and normal doesn’t mean it is but I have to just get on with my life and good luck in yours.

  16. Oh, well said Mike. I couldn’t have put it better myself!
    Just get on with your life Kally and stop ranting about your ‘condition’.
    (Oh Dear! I think that is going to set her off again folks!!!)

  17. Well said Mike!
    Kally, if you people tried just getting on with your lives instead of always wanting to be the centre of attention you would find life much easier.

  18. Stuart I almost feel sorry for you. This is not a poll because people are NOT being ASKED if they approve of homosexuality, they are just giving their opinion on the comments made about the subject.
    These days you people seem to think you are God’s gift to humanity, but not everyone agrees with you so you sound off with rants like Kally.
    If more of you learnt to just GET ON WITH LIFE in a QUIET way and stop making constant demands there might not be so much antagonism.

  19. No, my problem is with that (luckily) dying breed…homophobes. You’re just bigots, narrow-minded and totally clueless, and need to see a bit of the outside world before you judge other people trying to live their lives.
    And the mere fact this so-called ‘debate’ has started on this thread shows we HAVEN’T got the equality we’re entitled to, because we’re still insulted and put up with offensive comments. No heterosexual person gets hit with repulsive comments and epithets purely because they’re heterosexual – by definition, no homosexual or bisexual person should, either.
    Until this happens, we are certainly NOT equal and STILL have a long way to go.
    You need to get out more.

  20. PS. What age-group are you – pre-Ancient Rome????? Because homosexuality has been there as long as heterosexuality has, and gay people are of all ages. One guy I know pretty well turns 80 this year. He’s not the exception, either.

  21. It is not ‘condition’, any more than heterosexuality is.
    I’m not ranting about my own homosexuality, I’m ‘ranting’, as you put it, about narrow-minded bigots who feel they can insult a whole sector of society and call it ‘their right to an opinion’, and who for some reason believe they are entitled to special privileges because of being heterosexual. You need to get off your pedestal and move out of your narrow comfort zone.
    Why don’t you move to a country where we’re NOT considered equal at law with the right to equal treatment? And if you’re so against anyone who doesn’t conform to your narrow definition of ‘normal’, why did you bother to move to such a cosmopolitan country? (I bet you’re one of those tiresome Brits who moans that nobody here speaks English).

  22. Here you go again, hiding behind your ‘right to give an opinion’ to justify your disrespectful, offensive comments.
    We ‘demand’ equal treatment to heterosexual people. We do not see why straight people should get higher privileges than us – do you, perchance, pay more in taxes? Give more to charity? Do more for your country? Then why, just because you’re heterosexual, do you think you’re entitled to more than us?

  23. It’s not homosexual people who make us ‘centre of attention’, it’s heterosexual bigots who single us out as something unsavoury.
    So, if a person is homosexual, which in your view automatically makes them a sinner and abnormal, what do you suggest they do about it? Jump off a bridge? Remain celibate and single and never have relationships, so as not to offend total strangers they’ll never meet? Put up with being treated as second-class citizens? Meekly take the insults, discrimination and disrespectful comments of people like you, and accept it as their pennance for being born the way they are?
    Get into the real world and learn some social etiquette.

  24. There you go again, just another gay insulting people because they have nothing better to do and cannot face up to the fact that the world cannot face to stand in front of you with open arms every time you cry ‘hard done by and you don’t understand’, do you really think life is that simple? You won’t get people on your side by flinging insults because I can asure you life doesn’t work like that. The more you go on the less I think of you and what you believe in so well done Kally, just keep digging 😉

  25. Just keep insulting, it only reflects your personality more and lets us all really know the type of person you are, maybe you will read your posts and start to understand why most normal people just have no time for your people like you.
    People have been stealing from the start of mankind and I am sure they thought it was normal, here in Spain it appears most people steal even up to the politicians and I can asure you they all think they that it is normal but it isn’t and that doesn’t make it normal either 😉

  26. Kally, From reading all of what you have written here I can honestly say that NO-ONE has been more insulting and vicious than yourself.

  27. You know nothing about my personality – but I’m pretty certain I can see a lot about yours in a few comments. Bigoted, narrow-minded and anti-social, for a start.
    Stealing will never be accepted by society because doing so involves infringing on the rights of the person or organisation you are stealing from.
    Exactly how does a person being gay (which is like being left-handed: you’re born that way and can’t help it) and having the same rights as you heterosexual special snowflakes infringe anyone else’s rights?

  28. Your very first comment, Roy, was an insult of stratospheric proportions which should never, ever have made the public domain.
    And if you expect me to meekly accept it without reacting – or anyone else to whom it was directed – you’re even more ignorant than I thought.
    Please stop shoving your homophobia in mine and everyone else’s faces. It’s not pretty. Homophobes are more of a minority than homosexuals, and far less socially-acceptable.

  29. I couldn’t care less what you think of me, Mike. You’re the epitome of what I hate in a male: whilst no doubt you think it’s fine to impose your heterosexuality on women who are not interested in you and for other men to do likewise, and insult an entire community which has been around for generations before you were born, you continue to talk from a standpoint of total ignorance. You know nothing about what it is to be gay or to grow up being treated as a pariah when you’re still in primary school. And the reason this happens is because of people like you who can’t keep your bigoted, offensive ‘opinions’ to yourself.
    Your homophobic comments in the beginning were unacceptable insults, and I don’t see why I or anyone should stay silent in the face of prejudice.
    I suppose the same goes for racism, does it? Insult a black person and don’t expect them to retaliate?
    If you can’t take it, don’t dish it out. Go and learn a bit about the outside world – it really isn’t such a scary place when you get there.
    Not unless you’re a gay schoolchild faced with bigotry from adults who should know better.

  30. It’s funny but every time they have a lesbian on TV to give her opinions it generally leads to the same…. they hate men! lol. Fine, but as I said before, you are where your problem is, it is not me or anyone else 😉

  31. This is not a debate Kally, this appears to me as a mud slinging match by a very angry female who has some issues she cannot get a grasp on, I am not qualified to take that decision but it is what I feel from what you have been writing here. If you are not happy with yourself or others you should go and talk to someone to see if you can get to the bottom of your issues, maybe then you will understand that you could be much happier and be able to get on with your life in a much more satisfying, relaxed and easier going manner you need to get rid of that sack of hate that is obviously pulling you down. Good luck

  32. Kally, once again you totally miss the point!
    When I said get on with your life quietly It should be clear to you that your ranting on this page is not doing your cause any good, hence all the reds you get!
    People do not want to be CONSTANTLY reminded that people like you exist, and the more you shout about it the more people dislike you.
    Just get on with your life and ignore all the comments you get on these pages. That is what I would do in your situation, and I am sure that if I did I would not get all the flak you are getting at the moment.
    That also goes for the rest of your kind, for you are not doing yourselves any favours with your flag waving, disgusting parades and demonstrations.
    People like you seem to think you can be accepted only if you constantly remind people that you exist. Sorry – WRONG APPROACH!

  33. My problem is with bigots who still live in the stone age. Not entirely coincidence they’re mainly men. And if you’re representative of the male of the species, it’s hardly surprising lesbians do hate them. The way heterosexual men behave in public and towards ladies is just deplorable and primitive, and no, I don’t like it, and actually, neither do straight women.

  34. Your first comment was an insult on a totally unacceptable level and no better than racism or sexism. In fact, homophobia IS sexism. If you expect ANY gay person to stay silent in light of such offensiveness, you have an inflated sense of your own importance.
    Quit now before you make yourself look even more unpleasant.

  35. It’s you who needs help, Mike, you and other bigots out there. Homophobia has no place in modern society, it’s offensive, it’s wrong, it’s not accepted. By all means, be narrow-minded and prejudiced if you wish, but keep it private – we live in a society where equality is paramount and comments that slate or brand as abnormal an entire faction of the community are considered distasteful.
    All I have ‘issues’ with are bigots – that includes racists, homophobes and sexist people. Once those vile specimens crawl back under their stones I’ll have plenty to be happy about.

  36. Roy Peters, there are many spectacles I find personally distatseful. There are some that I find downright revolting, and a few that turn my stomach. You know what? I DON’T LOOK AT THEM. If you don’t want to see men pulling down their shorts, your ability to turn your head away or shut your eyes gives you the ultimate power of veto over what you see. And lines like “they flaunt it before everyone, even children” are frankly absurd. Who is this ‘they’? Your sweeping generalisations do you no favours, frankly.

  37. I see, so the solution is for all of us gay people to keep ourselves hidden from the world and pointedly not mention it to anyone so as not to offend? In the meantime, heterosexuals can continue in the public eye and can flaunt their heterosexuality as they wish? Where do you get that heterosexual people deserve higher privileges than gay people? And why should they have?
    Homophobes are in the minority, far more so than homosexuals. People do not want to be CONSTANTLY reminded that homophobes like you exist, and the more you continue to shove your prejudices down others’ throats, the more you’ll be thoroughly disliked.
    You homophobes are doing yourselves no favours with your public distasteful comments and disgusting ‘opinions’ which should be kept in private.
    Unfortunately, it’s bigots like you who make Gay Pride demonstrations continue to be necessary, even in the 21st century.
    A couple of years ago, a 15-year-old boy from Sussex killed himself because he was gay and was subjected to comments like yours, dressed up as your ‘right to an opinion’. People like you drove this child to the edge.
    A vicar’s son hanged himself 15 years ago in my part of the UK because he felt ‘too filthy to live’ thanks to comments exactly like yours and Mike’s about how he was ‘disgusting’ and ‘abnormal’ and should just withdraw himself from society and not ‘shove his presence in people’s faces’. Homophobia drove this man to take his own life.
    There are many other, similar cases throughout history, where homophobia has driven people to these extremes, or at least to depression serious enough it was a very high risk. Many of these people were children or teenagers. Others were sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, friends.
    Homophobia (like yours and Mike’s) pushed them to that. Homophobes have blood on their hands. These people should still be alive today.
    Homophobia, even outside of countries where it can mean torture or murder, is dangerous (and in the west, it’s illegal). Homophobics have cost lives, deprived people of their health and happiness. Homophobics, like you and Mike.
    Can you live with that on your conscience? I couldn’t.

  38. Kally, enjoy your time while you can, because when the Muslims take over Europe you will really find out what discrimination is!!!!!
    (I’ll bet that is going to rattle your cage!!!!!!!)

  39. So you ARE racist then?????
    Muslims will never ‘take over Europe’, that’s just scaremongering. And even if they do, Islam is a peaceful religion where you’re encouraged to do good things, be kind and give to the poor (2.5% of your income every month) since you won’t get into heaven if not.
    Don’t make the mistake of thinking these evil terrorists are ‘Muslims’. The Q’ran outlaws murder and suicide, for a start, and most Muslims I’ve met are outraged about them. Seriously, I’ve never heard anyone swear so colourfully and so bitterly as our tour guide in Egypt on the very day they bombed Cairo.

  40. “Islam is a peaceful religion” I guess you have never read the Qu’ran otherwise you would not be so naive. Continue to believe the propaganda put out by Muslims if you wish, but homosexuality is banned by the Qu’ran in all its forms so I guess you will have a big shock coming!!!
    And for the tenth time, I am not a racist in any shape or form, just stating a fact, so stop trying to make out that I am..

  41. Yes, I knew about homosexuality being allegedly banned by the Q’ran, or at least, that this is the way more radical readings of it interpret the wording – that’s why so many Muslim homosexuals are forced to seek asylum in the west because of the very real risk of persecution and violence. Homophobia is rife in the Middle East and Africa and ‘corrective rape’ of lesbians is common. In Uganda, it’s a criminal offence NOT to report someone you suspect may be homosexual; and anyone who IS found out to be homosexual gets the death penalty. I’ve unwittingly been to countries on holiday, with my fiancée, where we could have been put in jail just for being in the country as we were breaking the law just by being homosexual – as in, just for existing. Not for ‘practising homosexuality’, but purely for ‘being homosexual’. Yes, I was naïve there, and so was she, because as we literally never remember we’re ‘different from the rest of the world’ in the eyes of certain societal subgroups, and never think of ourselves as criminals, it didn’t occur to us to check. God forbid, we could have been raped in prison. Had we been 100 kilometres further south, we could have faced the death penalty, like so many homosexuals in third-world countries.
    See what a happy place homophobia makes the world?
    Homophobia is as bad as racism. So if you’re a homophobe, you’re no better than a racist. The difference is that foreigners living abroad who are the target of racism usually have either family or a fellow expat community for support, so they don’t need to feel quite as ostracised and alone, and their immediate people won’t be prejudiced towards them. The same is not true of homosexuality, where you may be the only one in your immediate family or group of friends, so that prejudice and name-calling is even more damaging.
    Homophobia is as bad as racism, and so if you deplore racism, you should also deplore homophobia. They’re both a form of hatred and prejudice against a group of people who were born slightly different to you in very subtle ways, and whom you don’t know personally, but despise collectively for no rational reasons.
    Like I said, homophobes have blood on their hands – and I don’t just mean in Africa. Think about it.

  42. Suicides are not restricted to homosexual children or even homosexual adults, but homophobia is a MASSIVE cause of suicide in those who ARE homosexual. Bullying in general is also a massive cause of suicide, by which I mean psychological bullying: rejection, name-calling, treating as an outcast, isolating. That’s exactly what homophobes do, and many, MANY homosexuals, especially younger ones, have at least attempted suicide because of homophobia – ie, because of people like you. Homophobic bullying has always been rife in schools and still exists, to a lesser extent, and bullying leads to depression, eating disorders, suicide, health problems in general. Homosexuality per se is not suicide-inducing or depression-causing; homophobia causes that because of the negativity, isolation and prejudice. And to be honest, if just ONE homosexual child – or adult – commits suicide because of homophobia, that’s one life lost too many. That’s one death that could have been avoided, and it’s a death caused by people JUST LIKE YOU.
    Feeling good about yourself?
    I’m not sure what disciplining children has to do with homosexuality, or with depression and suicide, and neither can I really comment on how far or otherwise children are disciplined today because I don’t have children of my own and don’t really have anything to do with kids in general. But my heartfelt conviction has always been that, rather than children having to be taught how to handle a cruel world, the solution long-term lies in teaching children to make the world a better and kinder place, so that the next generation won’t HAVE to handle a cruel world on such a regular basis. And you can’t really be ‘taught’ to handle any form of hardship – that’s down to the individual and his or her emotional pain threshold, and what is, personally, painful to him or her.
    Otherwise, it’s a bit like teaching girls and women not to wear short skirts so as to prevent men from coming onto them, rather than teaching boys and young men that they don’t have the right to come onto women unless they’re in a relationship with them.
    Generally, I think young people are far nicer today than they were in previous generations; even more so than my own generation was. Many new adults I know – such as my baby brother and his friends – are thoughtful and caring in a way my own crowd certainly wasn’t at their age.
    In any case, bringing up children isn’t something I know a fat lot about, but I do know that if you suffer rejection and name-calling and being treated as ‘abnormal’, it has a very damaging effect on a person and ultimately, can lead to depression and thoughts of, or even attempts at, suicide. Given that this is what homosexuals get from homophobes, by definition, homophobes are causing that. Being gay in itself isn’t depressing; being the target of homophobia IS damaging, and even if the ‘damaged’ ones are just a small handful in an entire community, it’s still a small handful too many when it’s a condition that’s caused by others and with no good reason for it.


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